All consuming fire of heaven? Part Three
Unanswered questions from Merril Jessop's Jan. 23, 2009, depositin, part three:
195. Do you know David Allred?
196. Where is R23 located?
197. Are you familiar with a company called United Land Company?
198. What is your relationship to a person named Lyle Jeffs?
199. Were you involved in the negotiation or sale of any land referred to as the Apple Valley land?
200. On page 191 there is a reference of a transfer of $40,000, wire transfer from bank to bank, do you have any understanding of what banks are being referred to?
201. Do you have an understanding of the meaning of the phrase, all consuming fire from heaven?
202. How many of your daughters have been married or sealed to Warren Jeffs?
203. How many of Warren Jeffs’ daughters been married or sealed to your sons?
204. Do you know if Warren Jeffs was in the habit of dictating his daily activities?
205. Have you heard of your daughter Naomie be referred to as a scribe?
206. Is there any property at the YFZ Ranch that is owned by the UEP Trust?
207. Have you ever had a default judgment entered against you?
208. Have you ever been advised by Warren Jeffs to allow a default judgment to be entered against you?
209. Who pays the utility bills at the YFZ Ranch?
210. Have you ever been instructed by Warren Jeffs to research how to get assets from the UEP trust to an entity in Texas on behalf of the Texas group?
211. Were you in contact with Warren Jeffs in March (23) of 2008?
212. And if this date is correct, is it your understanding that this was just shortly before law enforcement entered the ranch, which began their investigation?
213. Were you present at the ranch when law enforcement arrived to serve their search warrant?
214. When law enforcement arrived did you identify yourself as the leader or contact person to accept the search warrant on behalf of the ranch property?
215. Do you know Willie Jessop?
216. And when I say Willie Jessop, I'm speaking of William R. Jessop who is on the media at times. Does he have your authority to speak on behalf of you?
217. When Willie Jessop refers to him as spokesman of the FLDS do you know who his spokesman for, do you have an understanding of what he means?
218. Have you ever given him authority to speak on your behalf?
219. Do you know if any adult member of the FLDS has specifically given Willie Jessop authority to speak on their behalf?
220. Who within the FLDS would have the authority to appoint a spokesman for the group?
221. Hands Merril a stack of dictations and asks: Do these appear to be the kinds of records that are kept within the FLDS organization?
222. On the top of this first page it's dated Sunday, April 29, 2007, Letter Brother Wendell Nielsen and Brother Merril Jessop. Is it your understanding that you are the Merril Jessop to whom this is addressed?
223. Do you know if Teresa Jeffs is a member of the beneficiary class of the UEP Trust?
224. Do you know if Teresa Jeffs is a member of a beneficiary class of any trust in Texas associated with the FLDS group?
225. Do you know of any source of income or funds to which Teresa Jeffs is entitled?
226. Is there anyone within the FLDS group who can authorize the expenditure of funds for Teresa Jeffs towards education?
227. (Following questions asked by Jonathan R. Davis, attorney for a minor male sibling) What did you do when you left school?
228. Did you go to work when you left school?
229. Are you related to Warren Jeffs?
230. Is your daughter, Naomie, married to Warren Jeffs?
231. Is your daughter X, married to Warren Jeffs?
232. Do you know how Warren Jeffs provides support for your daughters financially?
233. Do you know who assigns housing to the residents at YFZ?
234. Does the FLDS provide support for Annette Jeffs and her children?
235. Do you provide support financially for Annette Jeffs of her children?
236. Are you aware of any sources of financial support for Annette Jeffs and her children?
237. Has Annette Jeffs ever asked you for support financially for her children or for herself?
238. Does Warren Jeffs have any real property interests of which you are aware?
239. Does Warren Jeffs have any interest in any businesses of which you are aware?
240. Are you aware of any financial support that Warren Jeffs might have provided to his wife, Annette, and her children since the time he was incarcerated?
241. Are you aware of any financial support that Warren Jeffs would have provided to Annette Jeffs and her children since the time of his incarceration?
242. Are you aware of whether Warren Jeffs has access to any bank accounts?
243. Are you aware of whether Annette Jeffs has any access to any bank accounts?
244. Are you aware of any incident occurring in the last five years of any individual within the FLDS community withholding intentionally medical care for another member of the FLDS community?
245. How does a purchaser go to acquire groceries there? Do they pay for it in money or how do they pay for it?
246. Who has access to use that storehouse?
247. Can Annette Jeffs access that storehouse to obtain groceries?
248. Who finances the storehouse?
249. Is there a school at the YFZ Ranch?
250. Who oversees the school at the YFZ Ranch?
251. What is the source of the curriculum of the school at the YFZ Ranch?
252. When is the school at the YFZ Ranch in session?
253. How many hours are the children in school each day?
254. What courses are taught at that school?
255. Who selects the teachers for the school at the YFZ Ranch?
256. How are the teachers at the school at the YFZ Ranch selected?
257. How many teachers are teaching at that school?
258. Are there any teachers at that school who are not members of the FLDS?
259. Have the children attending that school been tested by standardized achievement tests?
260. Do you know if (minor male child) is a beneficiary of the UEP?
261. Do you know of any source of financial support for (minor male child)?
262. Returning to the school at YFZ, how many teachers at that school have a college education?
263. What is the age of the youngest teacher at that school?
264. What is the annual budget for the school?
265. How many of the male children of that school were in the 2007 high school graduating class?
266. What percentage of the male children in that school have completed high school?
267. When did Annette Jeffs first arrive at YFZ to live?
268. What is the address of the house that Annette Jeffs occupied during her residency at the YFZ ranch?
269. Who lived with her at that address?
270. Where was Annette Jeffs living at the time of the April (3), 2008 raid?
271. Where was Annette Jeffs living in July 2007?
272. Where was Annette Jeffs living in July 2006?
273. With whom was Annette Jeffs living in July 2006?
274. (Following questions asked by Natalie Malonis) Is your daughter X currently involved in a CPS custody case?
275. When was your last contact with your daughter X?
276. Would you like to talk to X?
277. Would you like to see X?
278. Have you personally ever added money to Warren Jeffs' commissary?
279. Has Annette Jeffs spoken to you about testifying on her behalf or on her children's behalf in one of the custody cases?
195. Do you know David Allred?
196. Where is R23 located?
197. Are you familiar with a company called United Land Company?
198. What is your relationship to a person named Lyle Jeffs?
199. Were you involved in the negotiation or sale of any land referred to as the Apple Valley land?
200. On page 191 there is a reference of a transfer of $40,000, wire transfer from bank to bank, do you have any understanding of what banks are being referred to?
201. Do you have an understanding of the meaning of the phrase, all consuming fire from heaven?
202. How many of your daughters have been married or sealed to Warren Jeffs?
203. How many of Warren Jeffs’ daughters been married or sealed to your sons?
204. Do you know if Warren Jeffs was in the habit of dictating his daily activities?
205. Have you heard of your daughter Naomie be referred to as a scribe?
206. Is there any property at the YFZ Ranch that is owned by the UEP Trust?
207. Have you ever had a default judgment entered against you?
208. Have you ever been advised by Warren Jeffs to allow a default judgment to be entered against you?
209. Who pays the utility bills at the YFZ Ranch?
210. Have you ever been instructed by Warren Jeffs to research how to get assets from the UEP trust to an entity in Texas on behalf of the Texas group?
211. Were you in contact with Warren Jeffs in March (23) of 2008?
212. And if this date is correct, is it your understanding that this was just shortly before law enforcement entered the ranch, which began their investigation?
213. Were you present at the ranch when law enforcement arrived to serve their search warrant?
214. When law enforcement arrived did you identify yourself as the leader or contact person to accept the search warrant on behalf of the ranch property?
215. Do you know Willie Jessop?
216. And when I say Willie Jessop, I'm speaking of William R. Jessop who is on the media at times. Does he have your authority to speak on behalf of you?
217. When Willie Jessop refers to him as spokesman of the FLDS do you know who his spokesman for, do you have an understanding of what he means?
218. Have you ever given him authority to speak on your behalf?
219. Do you know if any adult member of the FLDS has specifically given Willie Jessop authority to speak on their behalf?
220. Who within the FLDS would have the authority to appoint a spokesman for the group?
221. Hands Merril a stack of dictations and asks: Do these appear to be the kinds of records that are kept within the FLDS organization?
222. On the top of this first page it's dated Sunday, April 29, 2007, Letter Brother Wendell Nielsen and Brother Merril Jessop. Is it your understanding that you are the Merril Jessop to whom this is addressed?
223. Do you know if Teresa Jeffs is a member of the beneficiary class of the UEP Trust?
224. Do you know if Teresa Jeffs is a member of a beneficiary class of any trust in Texas associated with the FLDS group?
225. Do you know of any source of income or funds to which Teresa Jeffs is entitled?
226. Is there anyone within the FLDS group who can authorize the expenditure of funds for Teresa Jeffs towards education?
227. (Following questions asked by Jonathan R. Davis, attorney for a minor male sibling) What did you do when you left school?
228. Did you go to work when you left school?
229. Are you related to Warren Jeffs?
230. Is your daughter, Naomie, married to Warren Jeffs?
231. Is your daughter X, married to Warren Jeffs?
232. Do you know how Warren Jeffs provides support for your daughters financially?
233. Do you know who assigns housing to the residents at YFZ?
234. Does the FLDS provide support for Annette Jeffs and her children?
235. Do you provide support financially for Annette Jeffs of her children?
236. Are you aware of any sources of financial support for Annette Jeffs and her children?
237. Has Annette Jeffs ever asked you for support financially for her children or for herself?
238. Does Warren Jeffs have any real property interests of which you are aware?
239. Does Warren Jeffs have any interest in any businesses of which you are aware?
240. Are you aware of any financial support that Warren Jeffs might have provided to his wife, Annette, and her children since the time he was incarcerated?
241. Are you aware of any financial support that Warren Jeffs would have provided to Annette Jeffs and her children since the time of his incarceration?
242. Are you aware of whether Warren Jeffs has access to any bank accounts?
243. Are you aware of whether Annette Jeffs has any access to any bank accounts?
244. Are you aware of any incident occurring in the last five years of any individual within the FLDS community withholding intentionally medical care for another member of the FLDS community?
245. How does a purchaser go to acquire groceries there? Do they pay for it in money or how do they pay for it?
246. Who has access to use that storehouse?
247. Can Annette Jeffs access that storehouse to obtain groceries?
248. Who finances the storehouse?
249. Is there a school at the YFZ Ranch?
250. Who oversees the school at the YFZ Ranch?
251. What is the source of the curriculum of the school at the YFZ Ranch?
252. When is the school at the YFZ Ranch in session?
253. How many hours are the children in school each day?
254. What courses are taught at that school?
255. Who selects the teachers for the school at the YFZ Ranch?
256. How are the teachers at the school at the YFZ Ranch selected?
257. How many teachers are teaching at that school?
258. Are there any teachers at that school who are not members of the FLDS?
259. Have the children attending that school been tested by standardized achievement tests?
260. Do you know if (minor male child) is a beneficiary of the UEP?
261. Do you know of any source of financial support for (minor male child)?
262. Returning to the school at YFZ, how many teachers at that school have a college education?
263. What is the age of the youngest teacher at that school?
264. What is the annual budget for the school?
265. How many of the male children of that school were in the 2007 high school graduating class?
266. What percentage of the male children in that school have completed high school?
267. When did Annette Jeffs first arrive at YFZ to live?
268. What is the address of the house that Annette Jeffs occupied during her residency at the YFZ ranch?
269. Who lived with her at that address?
270. Where was Annette Jeffs living at the time of the April (3), 2008 raid?
271. Where was Annette Jeffs living in July 2007?
272. Where was Annette Jeffs living in July 2006?
273. With whom was Annette Jeffs living in July 2006?
274. (Following questions asked by Natalie Malonis) Is your daughter X currently involved in a CPS custody case?
275. When was your last contact with your daughter X?
276. Would you like to talk to X?
277. Would you like to see X?
278. Have you personally ever added money to Warren Jeffs' commissary?
279. Has Annette Jeffs spoken to you about testifying on her behalf or on her children's behalf in one of the custody cases?
24 Comments:
"266. What percentage of the male children in that school have completed high school?"
One would expect 0%, if they are still IN the school...
Why do so many of the questions not actually quite make sence?
So out of nearly 300 questions, Merril noded or grunted or allowed his attorney to answer 70 for him.
They forgot the really relevant question:
Temple garments - boxers or briefs?
What the heck is "R23"? Does that refer to a person? A location?
What do most of these have to do with Malonis' client? Who helped Malonis compile these questions?
Im assuming R23 could be the other land that was bought in Texas.
Well at least she didn't ask if hew knew where the crematoriums were.
Who helped Malonis compile these questions
Good question. And apparently Malonis has some pretty good disovery privileges, unless all the AAL's were entitled to all that evidence?
Maybe she has a snitch in the state office.
Gee this thing is starting to smell worse than the Rod Blogojevich affair.
245-247 about the storehouse. Are they referring to the bishops storehouse?
A lot of the questions like these and "what is an ordinance?" could be answered with a small amount of research into Mormonism.
Bishops storehouse is essentially the church's welfare system. Many of the wares and goods are provided by service projects where members sew blankets & clothing, knit hats, put together grooming kits, etc. and give them to the church. Large community gardens are raised, harvested and processed with the food given to the bishops storehouse. Tithing and other financial contributions are also used to stock the bishops storehouse with items they can't make or raise themselves (like salt, etc.).
I think they asked who can buy things there? Nothing is purchased from the bishops store house. Remember it's part of a welfare program. It's for people in need. They explain their need to the leadership who then distribute the items from the storehouse that the family or individual is in need of. Going through the leadership is necessary first to manage the resources of the storehouse and second to be aware of the families or individual's cirumstances so that other assistance can be put into play if necessary. It's meant to be a short-term help for families who have experienced job loss, illness, etc. while they get on their feet.
Since the Mormon church is world-famous for its private welfare system and the term "Bishops Storehouse" is commonly used in articles about it I'm surprised at the questions about it.
All the questions about child abuse. I thought those questions had already been asked and answered during the CPS investigation and hearings. I guess since their investigation didn't yield the answers they wanted they're going to just keep on asking hoping to finally get the response they're looking for?
Every child on the ranch was examined by a medical doctor, tested academically and interrogated as to their home lives. Wasn't that enough to convince them there was no "water boarding", force feeding, etc.?
It just makes the state look like a bunch of idiots to keep going there.
Kurt's looking for documented evidence that the girls from the ranch had to undergo gyno exams. If anyone has any information on that, it would help to settle that issue once and for all.
Harley: So out of nearly 300 questions, Merril noded or grunted or allowed his attorney to answer 70 for him.
Here's something to chew on--I attended a presentation given by a family law attorney & a criminal defense attorney who partner together, on how attorneys can best protect their client's interests when CPS &/or law enforcement is involved in their family: Take the 5th to everything.
Riki
That's clearly one strategy; however, I'd count on the kids being in CPS custody for 12 to 18 months.
Most folks aren't so bad that they need to rely on that strategy.
There is not one uber strategy. It really depends upon the case.
Ron, the impression I got from these attorneys is that this particular situation happens more often than people think, & that there is more at stake in the criminal case than the civil. Anyway, I thought it was interesting, given all the arm-chair Matlocking going on around here. ;)
Riki, when Merril was ask if he would like to see his daughter, and his attorney said he was taking the 5th, NOT merril but his attorney.
What jeopardy was there, NOT to answer the question. Admitting he wanted to see his daughter he hasn't seen since april is incriminating? Give me a break!
Harley, it's incriminating because it's an implicit admission that Merrianne is indeed his daughter.
Harley, I'll take the word of experienced attorneys over your opinion any day of the week. Something tells me they know what they're talking about.
Riki said...
"Harley, I'll take the word of experienced attorneys over your opinion any day of the week. Something tells me they know what they're talking about."
Unless it's Ron or Blues. Then we better get a 'second opinion'! I'm not sure they know what they're talking about.LOL (just kidding boys)
Ron, the real question are you bald and toothless????
harley said...
Riki, when Merril was ask if he would like to see his daughter, and his attorney said he was taking the 5th, NOT merril but his attorney.
What jeopardy was there, NOT to answer the question. Admitting he wanted to see his daughter he hasn't seen since april is incriminating? Give me a break!
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If you go by supreme court decisions, the more times you take the fifth the better, as fewer inferences can be made about any particular non-answer.
First Amendment
They have the girl's birth certificate, naming who her mother and father are, so taking the fifth would be stupid.
harley said...
First Amendment
They have the girl's birth certificate, naming who her mother and father are, so taking the fifth would be stupid.
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If you take the fifth about even stupid things, then it becomes very difficult to logically infer anything from any non-answered question. Think of the most extreme case: if you're arrested you're told that you have the right to remain silent and not answer questions. Even when the answer is stupidly obvious to everyone. Where does that right come from? The fifth amendment!
That MJ took the fifth 250+ times totally dilutes the effect of it on any one question. If he'd only taken the fifth once or twice, you could point to those non-answers and say, aha!
harley said...
"First Amendment
They have the girl's birth certificate, naming who her mother and father are, so taking the fifth would be stupid.
On that token then asking the question is equally as stupid, as is your comment!
First Amendment said: "Where does that right come from? The fifth amendment!
Actually, First Amendment, the "right" is "unalienable" and "comes from God". The Fifth Amendment is binding upon the government, restricting it from trying to deprive individuals of their right!
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