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The Polygamy Files:
The Tribune's blog on the plural life
Thursday, January 29, 2009
Do you have a bank account in Texas? Part Two
Unanswered questions from Merril Jessop's Jan. 23, 2009, deposition, Part Two:
99. I'm handing you Exhibit No. 4 again, and there is some handwriting on this page, do you recognize that handwriting?
100. I'm going to hand you Deposition Exhibit 13, which is two pages of handwriting, and ask if you recognize the handwriting that's in cursive.
101. Is that your handwriting?
102. Are there any aspects of members' lives that are not governed by the religious leader?
103. Are the members' expenses and payment of debts and so forth determined by the religious leaders?
104. Do the religious leaders of the FLDS religious association determine what gets purchased for individual members of the association?
105. Do the FLDS religious leaders determine what individual members can wear?
106. Do the religious leaders of the FLDS religious association determine what individual members can and cannot eat?
107. Do the FLDS religious leaders determine what vocations the individual members of the organization have?
108. Do the FLDS religious leaders determine where individual members of the association can live?
109. Do the FLDS religious leaders determine who individual members can associate with?
110. Do the FLDS religious leaders determine who can be married to whom among the individual members?
111. How many residential structures are there at the location known as the YFZ ranch?
112. What is the consequence if a male member of the FLDS loses his priesthood?
113. If a particular family who are members of the FLDS organization in Texas reside outside of the ranch may they remain in good standing within the religious association?
114. Would a teenage boy or girl member of the FLDS association in Texas have the independent ability to determine whether they go to college?
115. Are there any members currently within the FLDS Texas association who are attending college or graduate school?
116. Are there currently any FLDS members who are enrolled in college, currently enrolled?
117. Are there currently any FLDS members in Texas who are enrolled in a graduate program beyond college?
118. What is your highest level of education?
119. Do you have a high school degree?
120. Are you familiar with the finances of running the ranch and its constituent residences and buildings and operations?
121. What does the Short Creek Stake mean?
122. Based on your review with your counsel can you verify or deny any of the information contained on this sheet (Budget Estimate Short Creek Stake)?
123. Are you aware whether or not there are still tithes being collected and utilized towards the operation of the YFZ Ranch?
124. Is there any construction ongoing at the ranch?
125. Are you associated with a company called Johnny Beagley Construction?
126. Do you have a bank account in Texas?
127. Are you associated with a company called Reliance Electric?
128. Have you paid Ms. Hennington?
129. Have you paid any attorneys a retainer in the last six months in connection with any investigations into activities of the YFZ Ranch?
130. Have you made any payments out of a bank account within the last six months?
131. Do you have check writing authority on any bank accounts?
132. Do you drive an automobile?
133. Do you know who makes the payments for Ms. Annette Jeffs' house payments?
134. Do you have anything to do with the payment of Ms. Jeffs’ expenses?
135. Do you know if Ms. Jeffs has a job?
136. Do you have any awareness of whether Ms. Annette Jeffs has any access to financial resources outside of the control of the religious leaders of the FLDS?
137. Do you have frequent contact with Ms. Jeffs?
138. Have you ever been to that residence?
139. Did you personally have anything to do with securing that residence for her and her family to live in?
140. Do you personally have the ability to ask Ms. Jeffs and her family to vacate that residence?
141. If Teresa Jeffs decides not to return to the ranch will she remain a member in good standing of the FLDS?
142. Is there anybody other than Warren Jeffs who has the ability to conduct a marriage ceremony within the FLDS?
143. Is there any way for another person to assume the position of prophet of the FLDS while Warren Jeffs is still living?
144. If your son, Raymond Jessop, is convicted and is . . . and serves jail time will Teresa Jeffs be entitled to a release from her marriage to him?
145. Is Teresa Jeffs still married to Raymond Jessop?
146. Has Raymond Jessop ever been excluded from the FLDS branch and living there?
147. Is Raymond Jessop a member in good standing of the FLDS religious association?
148. Does Raymond Jessop hold priesthood?
149. Was Raymond Jessop ever your first counselor?
150. Is Raymond Jessop still your first counselor?
151. In the last four years have you resided in Mancos, Colorado?
152. (Regarding Exhibit No. 6) Can you tell me what your understanding of what House of Hiding means?
153. Have you ever been in charge of a house of hiding?
154. I've just handed you Exhibit No. 18. Can you identify that?
155. Have you ever heard of the United Effort Plan Trust?
156. Are you a member of the Beneficiary class of the United Effort Plan Trust?
157. Do you know if Ms. Annette Jeffs is part of the Beneficiary class of the United Effort Plan Trust?
158. Within the last month have you traveled to St. George, Utah, to meet with any representative of the Attorney General's Office of Utah?
159. Have you traveled out of the state of Texas with Wendell Nielsen in the last month?
160. At any time has a trust been formed to hold real or personal property of the FLDS within Texas?
161. Do you know if this draft was ever executed and made a trust instrument?
162. Do you know Isaac S. Jeffs?
163. Is your son, Raymond Jessop, to your knowledge, a trustee of any trust in Texas?
164. Do you know a person by the name of Sam Barlow?
165. Were you a member of the FLDS religious association on December 5, 1996?
166. Are you aware of a practice where men or women would use water to shut a child up when it cried, holding a child underwater or dunking them to stop the crying?
167. Are you aware of any member of the FLDS religious association having tied persons to chairs or trees or other kinds of physical restraints as a joke?
168. Are you aware of any member of the FLDS association using needles in a bed to pierce the skin and surprise someone?
169. Are you aware of a pattern of hitting children on the head as a way of parental control?
170. Are you aware of a practice of any adults in the FLDS association encouraging their older children to physically harm their younger children as a basis of punishment?
171. Are you aware of any adult members of the FLDS withholding food as a basis of punishment for their children?
172. Are you aware of any adult members of the FLDS force-feeing their children as a method of punishment?
173. Is Sam Barlow or was Sam Barlow a member of law enforcement to your knowledge?
174. All of those things that I just went over with you based on this document, have you ever engaged in any of those practices with your children?
175. And all of those things that I mentioned form that document, are any of those practices taught or encouraged within the FLDS organization?
176. Hands him Exhibit No. 20 (Nov. 10, 2000, deposition of Warren Jeffs) and asks: Does the prophet delegate any of his authority to perform ordinances within the FLDS?
177. What does it mean to be handled?
178. Has Warren Jeffs specifically practiced dividing families, separating mothers and children from fathers?
179. (On the exhibit) there are some handwritten notes and then at the bottom there's a signature. Can you identify that handwriting? Do you recognize it?
180. Do you recognize that signature (above name of Warren Jeffs)?
181. Do you know a person by the name of [female name excerpted] Barlow?
182. Do you know a person by the name of David Jeffs?
183. Do you have a son named David Jeffs?
184. If the prophet places a woman with a man to be sealed and that woman does not want that relationship does she have the authority to say no?
185. Under that same hypothetical, if that woman does say no what are the consequences to the woman?
186. Do you know a person by the name of Jim Allred?
187. Do you know if [female name] is married to Jim Allred?
188. If a woman desires to be released from her marriage how would she go about doing this?
189. Has any property owned by the UEP Trust been liquidated to purchase assets for the YFZ Ranch?
190. When you were recently in Utah who did you meet with?
191. Are you participating in negotiations of a settlement of UEP trust litigation?
192. Do you have a son named Ernest?
193. Was Ernest Jessop the bishop of the Texas group before you became bishop?
194. Was Ernest Jessop ever the bishop of the Texas FLDS group?
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15 Comments:
All these questions are rhetorical. One of the aims Malonis has apparently (along with whoever she's working with) is to get the evidence out in the open as much as possible before it's suppressed.
Arizona courts are going to put the kabash on the evidence. Now won't that be funny!
Whew she sounds like a snoopy nag to me...
Can't she just get over the fact that she has the fame she set out to get. And that her client acts more like an adult than she does! She definitely is in it for the fame!
Since Merril Identified himself to LE the night of the raid as bishop of the ranch ZTG, he should of answered more questions!
No they weren't rhetorical. Each question presented had documentation to back up the question.
Arizona doesn't have say in What went on in Texas Truthteller
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Arizona Ruling
Harley is right on this one. No matter what Conn decides, Walther will do whatever she wants. And there's no way she would invalidate her own warrant. The appeals court is a different matter, but you can be sure Walther will do everything in her power to find these men guilty.
First Amendment
Judge Conn can decide that Attorneys can't use any information from Texas on Warren's upcoming trial.
I don't really see why they would need it.
But Warren will stand trial on what he did in Texas.
we'll see what Az. does.
If they have a full blown hearing with the Rangers testifying, etc. and the court finds problems with their good faith, or other things, and throws it out, that will be hard for walther to ignore.
If she does, it is one more thing for the appelate court.
malonis is having her chain yanked by someone else. probably the prosecutors, both feds and locals. they want to get willie and merrill on record about things before the warrants are quashed.
harley said...
First Amendment
Judge Conn can decide that Attorneys can't use any information from Texas on Warren's upcoming trial.
I don't really see why they would need it.
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When Judge Conn finds that the search was lacking good faith, Arizona will be forced to show that any evidence they have left was obtained completely independently. Otherwise it is fruit of the poisonous tree and excluded. They will be in a much worse position than if they had never heard of the Texas evidence.
The result will be the same in Texas, except it will be the appeals court that throws out the convictions due to the bad search.
I doubt very seriously that the 3COA or the CCA will really care what Superior Court Judge in Arizona rules.
They will rule on the case based on Texas law, not Arizona law.
TBM:
"I doubt very seriously that the 3COA or the CCA will really care what Superior Court Judge in Arizona rules.
They will rule on the case based on Texas law, not Arizona law."
Another prediction. Love 'em!
Knowing most of the case law used in the AZ trial is from federal courts, I can't wait to read how walther shows us it means something different in Texas!
These relate to a "trust for TJ" in what way?
And what "document" did they come from? An affadavit by Carolyn?
166. Are you aware of a practice where men or women would use water to shut a child up when it cried, holding a child underwater or dunking them to stop the crying?
167. Are you aware of any member of the FLDS religious association having tied persons to chairs or trees or other kinds of physical restraints as a joke?
168. Are you aware of any member of the FLDS association using needles in a bed to pierce the skin and surprise someone?
169. Are you aware of a pattern of hitting children on the head as a way of parental control?
170. Are you aware of a practice of any adults in the FLDS association encouraging their older children to physically harm their younger children as a basis of punishment?
171. Are you aware of any adult members of the FLDS withholding food as a basis of punishment for their children?
172. Are you aware of any adult members of the FLDS force-feeing their children as a method of punishment?
174. All of those things that I just went over with you based on this document, have you ever engaged in any of those practices with your children?
175. And all of those things that I mentioned form that document, are any of those practices taught or encouraged within the FLDS organization?
Txblogger, that is the first thing I thought when I read those questions. Those accusations came directly from Carolyn's bible.
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