Gordon B. bounce?
Am I the only one thinking it?Will Mormon Church President Gordon B. Hinckley's death give Mitt Romney, who will attend the funeral, a bounce in the Florida primary?
As eulogies pour out around the world for the next couple days, good manners will require only the best be said about Hinckley and his church. Mormon bashing, one would hope, will be squelched by good manners.
It's the Christian thing to do, even in evangelicalland. And it could only be good for Romney in Florida.
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Are you aware of how the Trib's web page operators are censoring the crap out of comments on the story about Hinckley's death. Almost anything critical posted last night drew howls from the religious lemmings and demands the comments be removed, and the Tribune is compling with the theoNazi high command by doing so.
I agree with the above statement. There are many who saw Gordon Hinkley as a prophet, but there are many more --like myself-- who didn't. But for some reason, there is this erroneous assumption that when a person of Hinkley's stature dies, only good can be said of him.
Mr. Hinkley left a lot to criticize: he lied to the media (watch the Larry King interview) about Mormon doctrine; (Mormons above all should have demanded an answer to this, not some post-mormon who is still trying to process all the garbage that was fed to him since he was born).
Hinkley had a chance to apologize for what happened at Moutain Meadows during his tenure when a new monument was built at the massacre site in southern Utah; instead he offered that the church will never admit culpability.
Personally I thought the guy had a great sense of humor; but I also think that there was still a lot that he could have done, but didn't.
update, from the same anonymous as above: Now the Trib has pulled all the comments (as of about 9:10am MST Jan. 28) from the main Hinckley story. Man, has Singleton neutered you all into gutless pussies or what? Meanwhile, flags are flying at half staff over STATE buildings, making more obvious than usual who controls this state.
Wow! Now the comments are back -- at least the mournful church-licking ones. The critical ones have been purged. Guess Nancy Conway or Dean Singleton got a call from the Church Office Bldg.
Nobody deserves to have backbiting done to them after they've passed. And what good is it to beat someone down when they've died? It's like kicking a dead horse, literally. Why dwell upon the bad when he did so much good? When our friends and family die, we don't dwell on their mistakes or bad points, but we celebrate the good things they accomplished during their lifetime. Why should a man of Hinckley's "stature" be any different?
Why? Because Hinckley represents an insidious form of theofascism that denies human rights to gay people, imposes its religious beliefs on civil society via abortion and liquor laws, stifles dissent at every opportunity (including now) and generally represents the worst right-wing extremist views in Amerikkka. That's why.
from what i understand about the lds religion Hinkley and the twelve where involved in a huge spiritual war. Where they actualy hear in the spirit. Do any of you LDS members close to the top care to comment.
You want horrible right wing views? Utah is not the worst in that department, try visiting the south sometime. Your comment is so full of errors that any explaining I'd do would only be thrown back in my face. I'm sorry you feel that way, but the church is all about not imposing on others while standing for its own beliefs. And if it's so horrible, why has the church gone out of its way to help other countries that don't have many mormons in them? Because of love for people, not the desire to impose, but the desire to help.
fascinating. richard nixon didn't have as many negative comments on cnn when he died. on ronald reagan's death, he didn't have everyone talking about the iran-contra scandal or sleeping in cabinet meetings. i don't know if other news sources are also "guilty" of censoring their comments or "post-mormons" are just enduring a painful recovery that results in venomous, hateful behavior. insidious? really? like darth vader? c'mon. if you've left the church, just leave the f*ing church and move on.
It is customary and courteous not to denigrate the dead not only because they are no longer here to defend themselves but more importantly you are only hurting the mourners who are reading what you’ve written. That is both cowardly and unfair.
As far as President Hinckley lying, I’ve never heard a lie come out of him so I take exception to that. Just because you don’t believe something to be true doesn’t make it a falsehood.
Also, regarding the Mountain Meadows tragedy: Perhaps he felt, as I do, that while the events were tragic, they involved a time in which he did not live, people he never knew and activities in which he did not participate and therefore needs no apology from him personally or from the rest of the church collectively.
I feel a great deal of empathy for the individuals who’ve experienced the atrocities of slavery, the Holocaust, Mountain Meadows and the entire horrendous treatment of Americas natives that exists still today, but I am not to blame for any of it and will therefore not apologize for it. I am sorry that it happened but I didn’t cause it. It is absurd to expect anyone to apologize for sins and crimes they did not commit.
What part of this is NOT true: the church "denies human rights to gay people, imposes its religious beliefs on civil society via abortion and liquor laws, stifles dissent at every opportunity (including now)"
Every comment I have posted on the main Trib web site today has been deleted because the moderators are kissing the hineys of poor oppressed Mormons who cannot tolerate dissent. Welcome to Afutahstan! I will fight the Mormon Taliban until my dying breath.
I will pray for your soul.
I love President Hinckley. I am grateful for his example of compassion and decency. I will miss him.
For "Anonymous" who posted at 1/28, 2:04 PM: in the movie, "Monsters, Inc." the good guys found out that they could get more energy and better results from the kids by getting them to laugh rather than to terrorize them.
Maybe you could take that 55 gallon drum of hate you are carrying around and turn it into a positive energy source so we would use less gasoline or coal.
Mormon leader denies Church's culpability in Mountain Meadows massacre. Members state "I didn't do it ... I don't know the people who did. So why should I care about it?" The answer is simple - those who do not learn and accept responsibility for history are doomed to repeat it. Maybe you didn't pull the trigger, but the people who did believed exactly the same doctrine then as you believe now. That is what makes all modern Mormons responsible for their ancestor's actions. Further, it is because of the passage of time that responsibility has diminished ... but it can never fully disappear. Just like the cries of dying children ... their voices may be silenced, but their experience can never be forgotten.
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