Prop 8 gets personal
After a week of stories about massive protests — the latest a march of thousands of gay rights activists to the LDS temple in New York — and boycotts against the Mormon Church's support of Prop 8, tales of individual personal tragedies of the vote are emerging on the Web.
• Scott Eckern, the artistic director of the California Musical Theater in Sacramento, resigned in the face of growing outrage over his support for the ballot measure. A check of campaign donations uncovered Eckern had contributed $1,000 to Prop 8. Eckern, a Mormon, said he is:
. . . deeply saddened that my personal beliefs and convictions have offended others.• Jodi Mardesich, an inactive Mormon, formally demanded she be taken off the church rolls:
The day after the election, I wrote my letter of resignation. I sent it to the membership office of the church, telling them that I am no longer One of Them. They have to take me off their rolls. I can’t stomach being counted as One of Them. I despise what they have done in Hawaii, in California, in Arizona, in Florida. They are actively working to strip gay people of their rights.• At the famous El Coyote Cafe in Los Angeles, which employs and gets much of its business from gays, manager and daughter of the cafe's owner Marjorie Christoffersen, so emotionally overcome that she could barely stand, was confronted at a community meeting about why she gave $100 to support Prop 8.
I am sick at heart that I have offended anyone in the gay community...you are treasured to me...I've been a member of the Mormon Church all my life and I responded to their request. . . .• Jewish News Weekly in California addressed Prop 8 in an aside to an editorial demanding the LDS church cease postumous baptism of Holocaust victims:
I don't know of another place on earth where such diversity exists in harmony, joy and mutual respect. I know boycotts are planned. . . .It saddens me that my faith will keep you away from the Coyote. I cannot and I will not, no matter what, change my love and respect for you and your views.
Unlike some critics, we do not view the church’s action as a violation of its tax-exempt status nor a blurring of the line between church and state. . . .However, actions do have consequences. If the church wants to put up millions of dollars to pass an odious and bigoted ballot measure, it had better be prepared for blowback.
That’s why we support Prop. 8 opponents’ calls for boycotts and other legitimate forms of punitive response. It’s a free country, and citizens have the right to strike back with their pocketbooks.
• Meanwhile, Mormon Bill Marriott says, Hey, don't boycott me! Neither Marriott, nor his hotel chain, contributed to the campaign to pass Prop. 8.
• A "March for Equality" in Salt Lake will begin Saturday at 11:30 at the Salt Lake City and County Building.
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The ironic thing is that if any of these 'punative' actions were taken by Pro-8 supporters they would not be tolerated. Can you imagine someone from the Pro-8 side tracking down donors to No on 8 and boycotting their businesses?
. . . or sending (we hope) fake anthrax to LDS temples in SLC and Los Angeles?
Fine, we can protest and boycott too.
Stop supporting businesses that extend benefits to partners.
Stop wacthing gay themed movies and television shows that feature gay characters.
Don't buy products from companies that affiliate with the national gay chamber of commerce (yes, there is such a thing).
Let'see, if the majority of people in states that have supported anti-gay marriage ballot measures start boycotting, I think we will win, given that we are the majority and that we would thefore have more money to support those companies that share our views.
FOr thousands of years the marriage game has been played one way. Now, the husbands and wives who want to keep the same way it always has been played, they're called bigots.
I can't join a baseball league and decide it would be better if we altered it to look more like basketball.
Gays and gay-marriage supporters claim a violation of rights, but it's not the case. They just want special treatment to be able to turn marriage into whatever they say it is--and not what the history of the world has stated it to be.
THis gay movement is nothing like slavery and rights for blacks; it is not equivalent to women's suffrage. Homosexuality is not immutable, like the others. This is a moral debate--not a civil rights/constitutional debate.
But, it seems inevitable that gay marriage will be allowed, people (like those mentioned above) will give in to the pressure, hate, and persecution for standing up for what they "believe."
Ironic that gay rights supporters are so adamant about negating the beliefs and ideals of people who don't agree with homosexuality.
I don't live in SLC, and Googled this site when I saw the anthrax scare on the Today Show. This paper is a rag.
To quote Nelson on the Simpsons: Ha Ha! It's too bad that all of Utah is being tarred by the brush that Th'ChURRRch wielded, but that's what you (Prop 8 supporters) get for sticking your self-righteous noses into everyone else's business. If you don't like porn on TV, turn it off. If you don't like to drink booze, then keep it out of your mouth. If you don't want to marry gay people in your church, don't do it. But then there's that old saying about your right to swing a punch ends at my nose. When Th'Church starts using its money and power to change laws, in another state no less, all of you get what you deserve. It was the very depths of hypocrisy (and in Utah, that's saying a lot!) for Th'Church to say, the day after Prop 8 passed with no little assistance from them, that now we should all play nicely. I think there's something, even in the Mo bible, about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind? And again, Ha Ha!
You people commenting sadden me.
First of all, if you support prop 8 and want to boycott those that wish to bring it down, so be it. It is your right.
Second, saying that marriage was done one way for thousands of years is incorrect. Marriage, if you do the research, was originally between two partners and completely private. No ceremony, no religious ritual, no government involvement. When goverment got involved, same-sex marriages happened all the time and were accepted. When religion finally got on board and started to influence the government same-sex marriages were outlawed (around the 1300's).
Third, these people are not asking for special rights. They are not saying, "Give us something special." They are asking for what everyone else gets. Along these lines, just because the public voted for something does not make it right. The public voted for racial separatism for years and it was wrong.
Fourth, this is completely a civil issue. Religion has no place in OUR government in the U.S. No place at all. There are no scientific or psychological studies that are completely separate from religious beliefs that show same-sex marriages would be a degenerative addition to our society. It is not infringing on anyone else's rights, thus our constitution must support it. Religions should hold the right to decline or refuse to recognize marriages of a legal sort if they want. That is within their rights but forcing it a law is not.
Finally, I must add, that these attempts to cause terror by sending white powder to any organization is uncalled for. What the public needs to realize is that this is not the majority of the citizens upset about prop 8. It takes but one. One silly person that stepped over the line, just like every religion has its finatics.
I don't care to associate myself with anyone who does not support equality and fairness. I don't hold the LDS church responsible for Prop 8 passing. I hold all parties in support of it responsible. It makes me sad in my heart that there is so much negativity and hate for another human being that we would tell them they can't have the same marriage that everyone else.
I just want to say that every one in this boat has the same rights. this is not a question of equal rights that is just a word being used to fire up peoples emotions. this was a vote that limited the rights of every body not just one community. It is a little personal to some who have a desire to participate in a same sex marriage. This was more a question of definition, about what marriage is and not who you are. That is personal.
I find it unbelieveable what is happening, and not likely to blow over anytime soon. We did not pay people to vote, they voted their own mind with the freedom to do so. It was a vote. And we weren't, of course the only ones against gay marriage. What about plural marriage, should the same rights be extended to citizens to marry as many partners as they want? Where does it end?
What is your source, that same-sex marriages used to be done? I am an avid studier of history and have never read a credible source that said anything like that. There's some books in the fantasy section...but that's all I'm aware of, at this point.
Also, I don't care if you're for or agin gay marriage, point is that tons of money came on both sides and now the losers have targeted someone on the other political side and started using terroristic acts to "get back" at them. This is not going to do anything FOR the GL cause!
I know the above mentioned Marjorie at El Coyote in LA. She is a very nice woman and employs many gay people, particularly her management staff. She is not a bigot, still she is being boycotted by her mainly gay clientele.
While I do not support Proposition 8 on the grounds that discrimination is unconstitutional, I do feel for people like Marjorie who get tangled in the web that exists between faith and politics.
The religious right and pro-h8 supporters are proving they can dish it out, but they can't take it. Religious groups have been boycotting gay-friendly businesses for decades, including Levis, Disney, and McDonald's. They also threatened to "expose" businesses that didn't support Prop 8 and threatened them with boycotts.
Now that the same tactics are being used against them, they act as if the other side is out of bounds. So now boycotts are bad, huh? Why am I not surprised by their hypocrisy?
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. That goes for both sides. So we will all boycott and we will all be mad at each other and on and on but the fact remains our opinions stay the same unless and until we are convinced to change. So reason with me -try a little diplomacy!
These are only some who were against Proposition 8. Maybe they should be boycotted.
David Geffen of Dreamworks studios gave $100,000
CAA’s Bryan Lourd gave $5,000.
California Teacher’s Association gave $1,312,998 (Church and state argument OUT THE DOOR!)
TR Knight, actor, (Grey’s Anatomy), $100,000
George Lucas, $50,000
Lucas Films, $50,000
Apple, $100,000
Ellen DeGeneres, $100,000
Brad Pitt, $100,000
Mayor’s Committee for Government Excellence and Accountability, $25,000 (Church and State again....who is complaining about them?)
Stephen Speilberg & Kate Capshaw, $101,000
Levi Strauss, $25,000
Sergey Brin and Larry Page,
Google founders, $140,000
Jack O’Connell, California Superintendent of Schools (Church and state AGAIN)
It is sad that people don't get along. No rights were lost by anyone in this. People are still able to have civil unions and receive benifits as a couple. The only thing that is not the same is that they have no "official marriage liscence" from a state. Gay people can still have a recognized civil union and have all the rights that a straight couple has. Everyone should recognize that the Prop 8 vote was only about one thing, couples having a marriage liscence.
"Everyone should recognize that the Prop 8 vote was only about one thing, couples having a marriage liscence."
True - and what the protest are about are the church campaigning to take away my marriage license.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28UwAyzUkE
Not a very nice thing to do, you know
Don't shove your pro-gay religion down my throat. I don't want my Sunday School teacher telling me that sodomy is OK. I don't want my school teacher to say that gay sex between "married" couples is normal and healthful. Do what you want in your personal life -- just don't make my government accept or implicitly approve of behavior that I consider degrading, deviant and evil.
How can it be said better, "However, actions do have consequences. If the church wants to put up millions of dollars to pass an odious and bigoted ballot measure, it had better be prepared for blowback."
I doubt that a boycott of the less than 2% (and that a very inflated figure) of the population which is LDS (and highly concentrated in Utah and Idaho) impact California much.
Poor Mitt can kiss 2012 away.
Thank you, Patrick ONeill, for mentioning what everyone seems to be forgetting in this case. Everyone talks about how we (gays) WANT the right to get married. The fact is that we HAD the right to get married in California. The California Supreme Court said so, and gay couples were getting married. Then Prop. 8 snatched that away.
What would have happened if after Supreme Court's decision to end segregation in schools was immediately followed by a vote on a new Constitutional Amendment taking away a black child's right to an education? Would that not have been seen as wrong? Maybe not at the time, but certainly now.
How is this any different?
One more thought about the Mormon Church's involvement. This article mentions Mormons who are now saddened by their support of Prop. 8, saying they were only "answering the call" of their church. If the Mormon Church hadn't made statements and organized it's members, how many of these would have voted their OWN conscience? I would dare say that Prop. 8 would have failed, simply because Mormons weren't influenced by their leaders (who in turn weren't influencing others).
That's what it means to be a good Mormon--"When the Prophet (or anyone else in authority) speaks, the thinking is done."
>>"Don't shove your pro-gay religion down my throat. I don't want my Sunday School teacher telling me that sodomy is OK. "
Good - your sunday school teacher can say anything she wants to
>I don't want my school teacher to say that gay sex between "married" couples is normal and healthful.
Public school ? - You want Public schools to teach your religion over mine ?
>Do what you want in your personal life -- just don't make my government accept or implicitly approve of behavior that I consider degrading, deviant and evil.
It is our government too, not just government for Mormons only.
That is what this is all about, and the fact that mormons don't even realize that is shocking.
The democrats in Utah have gone to far in their support of fighting against the LDS church. Many democrat legislators have led the charge in attacking the church. Even sending white powder...still no shame.
I feel compelled to ask the obvious: are all mormons retarded, or just the ones who post here? The quote from Marjorie, who didn't realize that by robotically obeying her mormon clergy (or whatever they're called), she was in fact guilty of supporting bigotry suggests that perhaps the mormons are putting something in the water they drink.
To the first poster: the prop 8 supporters *did* threaten businesses that supported the campaign against it. It was a sad attempt at extortion. I know, I received a letter saying that if I didn't give an equal amount to their campaign, they would expose me as being against traditional marriage. I donated more to the no on 8 campaign. It would be an honor to be vilified by bigots.
Political contributions are public; publishing them is perfectly legal. Those who donated to support prop 8 are generally more worried about exposure than those who gave money to fight it. Perhaps they sense that they are on the wrong side of history, the George Wallaces of the 21st century. Feel free to publish the names of those of us who gave to fight prop 8. Again, it's an honor to be vilified by bigots.
I'm actively supporting the campaign to boycott businesses who gave money to support prop 8. We're currently working on identifying and mapping those people and businesses, making it much easier for people to boycott them. I am against a boycott on Utah, since we clearly need to support Utahns who do not support that cult headquartered in Salt Lake. I'm sorry that the actions of the mormon cult have, once again, brought shame on the state of Utah.
As for your threats to boycott, no one cares. The AFA has been boycotting McDonalds for how long? And Disney? How effective have those efforts been? The reason is simple. Superstitious redneck hillbillies like the mormons (and the Christians they got into bed with to pass prop 8) have no money and no desire to travel anyway. Who cares if they boycott? No one cares. In fact, I'm happier not having them in my city. But when I come to Salt Lake City, I'll know where to spend my money.
By the way, Google, the company that owns the technology that supports this blog, gave 140K to fight prop 8. The employees gave much more.
Just thought you should know.
As a nation, we have been saddened at other countries that have votes
and then have riots. We have always had people be nice, and then go back to work. Obama won. I didn't vote for him, Neither did much of the country and the majority of many states. We didn't protest that Obama won. I will write him with ideas, pray for him, and hope he doesn't make things worse.
It this case, there was a vote, and the side that worked the hardest won. Now, instead of the traditional nice congratulations, we have anger, violence and protests from the losing side. This is not what America does.
On top of it, the target is the Mormons, who have been persecuted over the years, and are often still targets by some "Christ based" religions.
Not only should the GLBT groups be ashamed at those that have been
violent, but all of the groups should be ashamed at the protests. They don't bring unity and they don't help their cause. A great example was the large protests across the country from those wanting illegal immigration fixed by giving in to demands. Those protests backfired, and I expect these Prop 8 protests will also.
When the great majority of California several years ago passed a similar law, and the Courts decided to reject the will of the majority, did the losers protest in the streets? No, that would have been childish.
Get the point?
I believe a democratic vote was held in Missouri in 1838:
On July 30, anti-Mormon citizens of Carroll County, concentrated especially in Carrollton, met to discuss their new Latter-day Saint neighbors in De Witt. It was decided that the question of whether or not Mormons should be allowed to settle in the county would be put on the August 6 election day ballot. Only a handful of votes were cast in favor of the Mormons. A committee was sent to De Witt which ordered the Latter-day Saints to leave. Hinkle and Murdock refused, citing their right as American citizens to settle where they pleased. On August 7, the Missourians held another meeting and voted to expel the Mormons by force (Missouri Republican, August 18, 1838).
So, I guess your objection to those who protest elections that question the civil rights of minorities is limited to those groups opposed by mormons?
Grow up. We refuse to live in a theocracy. This is a fight and it will go on until we win. You're sad and pathetic to suggest that the victims of mormon persecution should roll over and play dead. And it takes a lot of nerve to cast mormons in the role of victims when, in this case, they are clearly the ones doing the persecution.
embarcadero:
So...taking away a person's home and forcing them to flee from their property is the same as...making "sodomy" and "gay" both legal terms of marriage?
okay. got it. cool.
The point is that we don't vote on civil rights. Mormons are pathetic apologists for theocracy. I'm sure my feelings about your sick, demented cult are similar to your feelings about my sexual preference.
The point is this: we don't vote on civil rights. It is profoundly un-American. And if you vote to take away my civil rights, I will fight back. This is a war you will lose.
Just as your evil cult nearly lost its tax-exempt status over your treatment of people of color, you will one day be forced either to have another fake "revelation" from your circus-act "prophet" or change. Better yet, move to the backwoods with the rest of the FLDS. Your attempt at going mainline was doomed from the start.
I believe Embarcadero's point is that we don't vote on civil rights. The tyranny of the majority… you get the point. Or if you don't, you should.
You have no reason to legislate mormon morality on others who obviously disagree. And in CA, marriage was ruled to be a fundamental civil right, even if you don't agree.
embarcadero & anonymous friend -
your hate towards others is astounding. for someone fighting for the right to love, you sure are declaring "war" on a lot of people. you seem a little too concerned about winning a war that you started...why not focus on just enjoying your life?
i have many gay friends, as well as christian friends, yet i have yet to see a "mormon morality" dominate our culture. instead, i like to refer to it as a "christian morality", a "biblical morality", or in this case, a "majority morality" - take your pick.
i'm sure you are a wonderful person. i do not doubt that. i do not feel one ounce of hate towards you and never will. in fact, many christians do not feel hatred towards you. we are simply defending what we feel is the right cause. the only hate i see are the news feeds of angry mobs stomping on crosses, blocking intersections, and sending fake anthrax to religious edifices.
i do wish you well...not war. honestly.
The arguments of the opponents of gay marriage are easily turned into the stuff of satire with a simple question. Will the marriage of Jim and Bob of Arbuckle City, California, really lead to the destruction of the United States of America? Answer: Of course, not.
The following countries have legalized same-sex marriage, and straight marriages have continued or increased and divorce rates have not changed: Netherlands (2001), Belgium (2003), South Africa (2005), Spain (2005), Canada (2005), and Norway (2008).
I’m a straight male, age 62, married 40 years. I’m not a Mormon, but I believe that Mormons are Christians. I also believe that many Mormons now feel that the LDS Church’s involvement in California politics was ill-advised. It’s fine to oppose gay marriage, but don’t make a law against it. Don’t restrict a person’s “free agency,” to use a Mormon term.
The percentage of people who favor gay marriage will continue to rise until gay marriage becomes the subject of a well-deserved yawn. The young straight people will be the yawners as the old fogies of my generations leave the stage.
Don't assume that those fake anthrax letters were mailed by a gay-marriage supporter. Remember the woman in the McCain campaign who claimed a black man carved something on her cheek. All she was trying to do was get sympathy for McCain. The police arrested her.
This sounds like the work of an angry old man on the other side. Nevertheless, don't judge the whole group by the actions of a tiny minority who obey the law and would never think to do such things.
The person who sent the envelops is a terrorist--end of subject. Terrorists have nothing to contribute to either side.
Anonymous wrote:
Stop watching gay themed movies and television shows that feature gay characters.
This is the funniest thing I have read in years! Take the gays out of movies and gays out of writing the scripts and producing movies, and we would all die of boredom.
Your amusing "we" is a majority that is shrinking by the day. By 2020, gay marriage will be the subject of a well-deserved yawn, as I said in an earlier post. If I live to be 74, I'll be around in that year.
"When they begin the Beguine, it brings back the sound of music so tender. It brings back a night of tropical splendor...."
One of the world's most beautiful and romantic songs was written by a practicing gay man--Cole Porter.
Look up "Begin the Beguine."
Just think what we all owe to this gay man. Thank you, Cole, for being gay!
So let me get this straight. Prop 8 was to preserve the definition of marriage but still kept civil unions in place for gay couples which made them equal in the eyes of the law, which is what the majority of the country believes. It was also to protect against an activist judge who changed the definition of marriage with one swipe of his pen, against what 61% of Californians had voted for in 2004. But if you were for Prop 8, according to the signs I've seen on the news, you're a Nazi bigot racist fascist pedophile murderer.
In addition to changing the definition of marriage, they want to change the definition of hate. "Hate" now means "disagree with gay activists". But the crowd who beat up the Catholic women who tried to take down the hateful signs on the LA Temple gate? No, that wasn't hate. The people who engaged in domestic terrorism by sending fake anthrax to two temples? No, that wasn't hate. Personal attacks againt citizens, vandalizing property, stirring up angry mobs to pick on 2% of the population when 52% voted for it? Heavens no.
It seems the anti-Porp-8 people are trying to get their way via fear, intimidation, bullying, demonization, and domestic terrorism. It just shows that jonah Goldberg may have been onto something when he named his book "Liberal Fascism." If the mob says "vote our way or we'll destroy you" is there anything less fascist than that?
Uhh, no.
The CA Supreme court - Republican, from southern CA - ruled that the last mormon-led initiative to deny same sex couples the right to marry was unconstitutional. In so doing, they ruled that GLBT folk were a "protected class" and deserved the highest level of protection under the constitution. Further, they said that the right to marry the person of one's choice (presuming biologically unrelated, unencumbered by prior marriages and able to consent) was a fundamental right.
Religious whack-jobs, led by the mormon cult, conspired to pour money into the CA ballot initiative to amend the constitution to again prohibit same sex marriages. Mormons donated over 23 Million US$. The church used its facilities to phone bank (ID and UT), provided transport to UT mormons who came to CA to canvass door-to-door, required its members to donate money and time and generally did everything in its power to pass Prop 8. Apparently, they failed to do so in accordance with the accounting rules set up for organizations with 501c3 status, so the mormons might lose their tax exempt status.
Is it any surprise that mormons are so hated? Sure, catholics and other christians had a role, but mormons led the charge. Remember, segregation passed a popular vote many times too.
Once again, mormons bring shame upon Utah and help set the country back. Thanks mormons, thanks a lot.
Do not be surprised if there is no peace. Remember, you caused this trouble.
Why can't people stay out of other people's business. Why is it wrong for you if it's not wrong for them. Who cares who marries who, it doesn't effect my life. We need more things legal not less. I'm a straight married man in Utah and I support freedom of choice, whatever their choice is, its their choice. Their is nothing wrong with equality. As for the mormons, they are imfamous for trying to force their beliefs and morals on all society. They need to stick to brainwashing their own. They are very good at it. "Legalize it, don't criticize it."
Mormons are hateful bigots.
I don't think Mormons are hateful. They are just uninformed about gay marriage. Many Mormons think that the crusade in California was ill-advised. It squandered a lot of good will created by the LDS Church's humanitarian projects.
The train has left the station. Those who oppose gay marriage just don't know it yet.
I'll be 74 in 2020, and if I'm lucky, we can meet on the steps of the Utah State Capitol on July 1, 2020 at 1:00 PM. We can shake hands and admit that you got stirred up over nothing.
If you don't like gay marriage, fine, but don't pass a law against it.
Turn off this kind of language--Nazi bigot racist fascist pedophile murderer.
Let's discuss the issues, not call names. I'm for gay marriage because it will be good for America.
I'm an old guy, but I can see the writing on the wall--Gay marriage is coming sooner than anyone thinks. Great.
Who is "community organizer"? It's not fair to post a picture of Obama. Put up your own picture. Don't be a coward.
Roger Carrier.
Don't be foolish and assume that the powder came from the gay side. It sounds like the work of an angry old man on the other side, trying to gain sympathy. Remember that woman who claimed that a black man carved a word on her cheek. She lied to help McCain and the police arrested her.
“It is a fact worthy of note that the shortest lived nations of which we have record have been monogamic. Rome…was a monogamic nation and the numerous evils attending that system early laid the foundation for that ruin which eventually overtook her.”
Apostle George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 202
“…the one-wife system not only degenerates the human family, both physically and intellectually, but it is entirely incompatible with philosophical notions of immortality; it is a lure to temptation, and has always proved a curse to a people.”
Prophet John Taylor, Millennial Star, Vol. 15, p. 227
“Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire….Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers…. Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord’s servants have always practiced it. ‘And is that religion popular in heaven?’ it is the only popular religion there,…”
The Prophet Brigham Young, The Deseret News, August 6, 1862
“This law of monogamy, or the monogamic system, laid the foundation for prostitution and the evils and diseases of the most revolting nature and character under which modern Christendom groans,…”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 195
“We breathe the free air, we have the best looking men and handsomest women, and if they (Non-Mormons) envy us our position, well they may, for they are a poor, narrow-minded, pinch-backed race of men, who chain themselves down to the law of monogamy, and live all their days under the dominion of one wife. They ought to be ashamed of such conduct, and the still fouler channel which flows from their practices; and it is not to be wondered at that they should envy those who so much better understand the social relations.” Apostle George A Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, page 291
“I have noticed that a man who has but one wife, and is inclined to that doctrine, soon begins to wither and dry up, while a man who goes into plurality [of wives] looks fresh, young, and sprightly. Why is this? Because God loves that man, and because he honors his word. Some of you may not believe this, but I not only believe it but I also know it. For a man of God to be confined to one woman is small business. I do not know what we would do if we had only one wife apiece.”
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses Vol 5, page 22
“Just ask yourselves, historians, when was monogamy introduced on to the face of the earth? When those buccaneers, who settled on the peninsula where Rome now stands, could not steal women enough to have two or three apiece, they passed a law that a man should have but one woman. And this started monogamy and the downfall of the plurality system. In the days of Jesus, Rome, having dominion over Jerusalem, they carried out the doctrine more or less. This was the rise, start and foundation of the doctrine of monogamy; and never till then was there a law passed, that we have any knowledge of, that a man should have but one wife. “
- The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 12, page 262
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